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question around the *Customer refund* record, i want to script the auto population of my custom field *Billing contact* before first creation save, this field lives on the cus ref rec, i want to get the contact rec details from the invoice the cus refund is getting transformed off.  How do i do that as I can't seem to reach the *applyingtransaction* value (comes back blank) and I can't do a search to locate the inv because the customer refund record doesn't have a usable internal id for me to plug into the search criteria, needs to be saved before I can call that int id.  Any guidance will be appreciated or what this process is called, calling the current record before it's fully saved

Just a hunch but I suspect you need to do this on the afterSubmit in a User Event on CREATE.
Transform,  save and in afterSubmit do your "thing".

nice, I'll give that a try, much appreciated for your input <@UA4ATEE59>

you should be able to use the apply sublist on the customer refund to find out which record(s) it applies to

an invoice is not usually a choice since refunds apply to transactions representing payments

but you could get to the invoice with a search/query from the transactions on the apply sublist

usually you want to avoid after submit scripts that modify the current record, they impact performance more than necessary since they require you to save the record again